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Mon, 03/05/2012 at 02:56:13 PM EST - n_malo writes:

Hi everybody,
I recently started to learn flamenco and I perform the falsetas with the thumb definitely better when I use a thumb-pick. I use a soft thumb pick that is wonderful also for strumming.
Do you guy think it's ok??
I can't play with my thumb nail, it's never long enough

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n_malo
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Tue, 03/06/2012 at 04:47:17 PM EST - Ramin writes:

If you are comfortable using the thumb-pick and are happy with the sound, then no one can tell you it's wrong.

In my opinion, if are getting good sound, then you are doing it right.

I am not sure why you "can't play with" your thumb nail. If it's not long enough, then let it grow. :-)

Perhaps it's the way you are attacking the string when playing with the thumb. Try turning your wrist so your thumb is resting on the string at a 90 degree angle (or something close to that).

Feel free to post a video here so others can see what you are talking about. That could be helpful.

-ramin

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Tue, 03/06/2012 at 06:20:07 PM EST - n_malo writes:

OK tomorrow I'll post a video (it's too late to play now). I'm a beginner, thus a little bit ashamed to post it but I will do if it helps. You will see, it sounds much better with the plectrum.

I'm following a flamenco course on dvd (oscar herrero, flamenco paso a paso) and herrero's thumb is not in a 90 position when playing falsetas, it's rather something like 30.

I'm concerned because I think I should learn to play flamenco in the "right" way. Afterwards I can do it in the "wrong" way. At the moment I don't have the big picture and I don't understand whether using a thumb-pick will cause problems in the future.

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Subject: RE: Thumb Reply | View One | Post New
Wed, 03/07/2012 at 09:27:54 AM EST - Ramin writes:

n_malo writes:
I'm following a flamenco course on dvd (oscar herrero, flamenco paso a paso) and herrero's thumb is not in a 90 position when playing falsetas, it's rather something like 30.


Oscar Herrero series is very good for beginners.

As for learning the "right way", again, that is not something that you should worry about. Not everyone's hand or other physical attributes are the same. So there is no right way.

There is a "right sound" and that's the flamenco sound. Lots of people play differently and get a good flamenco sound. So don't preoccupy yourself with that too much.

Although, you should find a master guitarist whose hand shape resembles yours and pay extra close attention to how they play (even if they are not your favorite guitarist) and try to see if you are holding your arm/hand at the same angle as their.

One more note on the angle of the thumb... when you are playing arpeggios, the thumb is not at 90 degree angle... it's more like 30, like you said... but if you are doing alzapua or rest-stokes with the thumb, then yes, try to get it as close as possible to 90 degree.

Cheers,
-ramin

ps: don't be too shy about posting your video. We are all here to learn.

This article was last edited by Ramin on Wed, 03/07/2012 at 09:30:02 AM EST.
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Wed, 03/07/2012 at 03:09:05 PM EST - n_malo writes:

Here are the videos. It's a tango, it's the first (and yet only) flamenco song I have learned. It's full of mistakes, but you can spot that I'm faster with the thumb-pick.

NB: The mic of my macbook records the bass in a horrible way, the rasgueo doesn't sound so horrible live.

Video with pick:
http://youtu.be/AXHJu_pPy2I

Video without pick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NabhUt2B19c&feature=youtu.be

Any comment and critique is welcome!!

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Wed, 03/07/2012 at 06:18:55 PM EST - Ramin writes:

Good job.

I see what you mean as for the difference in using the thumb pick vs. playing with your thumb. I really believe it is exactly because you are not rotating your wrist enough to get more nail on the string when you do pulgar.

Watch this video of Paco Cepero where he does Alzapua at 1:35 and see how he rotates his wrist away from the guitar to attack the pulgar at a sharper angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Vc6iGgyfksY#...

I dusted off that video of Oscar Herrero and watched that falseta... You are making a few fundamental timing mistakes. You need to be careful that all the melodic phrases are triplet, except the last one which is 16 notes.

I don't like the way Oscar Herrero does rasqueado por tangos, but hey, he likes it. So more power to him.

Regards,
-ramin

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Wed, 03/07/2012 at 06:28:34 PM EST - n_malo writes:

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm aware I'm not following the right tempo. It's not easy at all, I never saw triple notes. I will slow down and work on timing with the metronome.

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Wed, 03/07/2012 at 06:41:11 PM EST - Ramin writes:

I agree, it's not an easy one for a beginner. But nothing in flamenco is easy. :-)

Don't let that be a turn off. I applaud you for posting the video and not being afraid of criticism. A lot of people take criticism very personal.

May I also recommend this lesson: http://www.flamenco-teacher.com/lps?lpv=1034

Check out the preview and see if you like it.

-ramin

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Thu, 03/08/2012 at 03:04:02 AM EST - n_malo writes:

I'm going to buy the lesson you suggested. The preview video doesn't give a clear idea of what it exactly contains, but for $7 it's worth a try.
I'll post a feedback in a few days when I'm done with it.

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